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wiak

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: digital signing   Reply with quote 

HairyWill wrote:
Digitally signed packages could avoid this as there is no way that the mirror can be accused of interfering with the package.


I'm all for this digitally signing packages, but it has to be easy to do. Though I always create md5sums for anything I do, I haven't been digitally signing them, and wouldn't off the top of my head know how. I do understand the process well enough, and could find out how to do it easily enough I'm sure, but that is an extra effort. In other words, it would be good if some system were provided to automate or make easy such practices. Then there is more chance of such measures being used by those packaging new applications for Puppy in general. I've seen cases of people producing packages but not knowing how to generate an md5sum for them even ...
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wiak

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Package management / repositories   Reply with quote 

Sir Duncan wrote:
I also think that we need a better repository/package manager. PSI is wonderful, but could use some refinement. PetGet is absolutely atrocious when compared to the package managers of other distros.


I don't want to over-praise any alternative small Linux distribution on a Puppy forum, but I do suggest that it might be worth closely examining the way Slitaz does its package management, and indeed, the way it organises its overall website in general:

http://www.slitaz.org/en/doc/handbook/packages.html

It is, I feel, very impressive and professional.
Inspires confidence, I'd say. Something to aim for.

Note that Slitaz also appears to be multi-user. Nathan F. expressed some of the security benefits multi-user capability well, a couple of posts down the following thread:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=15839

I do hope the official Puppy releases become multi-user one day too.
Slitaz is destined to shoot up Distrowatch rankings. I would hate Puppy to be left behind.

Note, however, that I think it is not correct to view other small distributions as being in competition. Rather, they follow similar anti-bloat philosophies and their users and developers can learn from each other.
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prit1

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:24 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

@wiak: I had never heard of a distribution called Slitaz before. I must admit, I dont check distrowatch that often now that I am hooked onto Puppy. But I am looking forward to give Slitaz a try when I get a chance.

I agree that we need to make a central repository and the mirrors should follow the same structure as the main repository. Also the repository must be categorized into meaningful and easily understandable sections like:
Base System:
Office:
Multimedia:
Utilities:
System-Tools:
WindowManagers:
XServer
etc.

MU's PSI does categorize it to some extent. But we must come up with something more standard.

Does anyone else think we need a team for creating and maintaining such a standard repository for Puppy?
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prit1

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

Just a proof of concept:

How does this sample repository look like?

http://hardkap.net/puppyrepo

Features:
- Search the repository based on the category name, filename, description
- Description field available - must be added
- Is organized in categories

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HairyWill

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

nice
I've used this successfully to download individual packages and also to and download several in one zip.
Is the search just across the package names or do you have the categories associated with them?

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raffy

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: questions   Reply with quote 

That looks good. Is it meant to be accessed by a software installer script, by the public, or by registered users only?

I am guessing that the box at the left explains what the package is about. Question

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prit1

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

@HairyWill: If you search for a category, it gives out all the packages in the category.

@Raffy: The access can be set. I have found a way to make it accessible to the public. If you access this link:
http://hardkap.net/puppyrepo
you dont need to enter a separate userid password to login.

The textbox that comes on the left side when you click a package can be used for the description. Whodo and myself were discussing on this. It would be great if we have a volunteer or a team of volunteers to write up and update descriptions for these packages. An id with special access to update the description can be created for this purpose.

Since MU already has the packages organized in a reasonable manner, I was thinking if we could install this script into his current repository, then we could have this as a Puppy repository until we finalize all the things we want to do (like digital signing and stuff). I have PM'ed MU, but didnt get a response back. He must be very busy.

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Caneri


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

@Prit

Mu has puppyfiles.ca which is the Canadian side of his servers and is up to date with regards to PSI files.

Maybe MU will agree to a test run here at puppylinux.ca before this goes to his main server in Germany.

Hey..just a thought in case there is a problem. That way a fix is only here not the main server.

Best,
Eric

PS I'll catch up on Skype.

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prit1

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

@Caneri: Does this mirror at Puppylinux.ca have the packages organized into categories like:
Emulators,
Multimedia
etc?

We will talk offline about this.
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changturkey

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

prit1 wrote:
Just a proof of concept:

How does this sample repository look like?

http://tipsforeveryone.com/puppyrepo

The
username is puppy and
password is puppy

The search does not work.

[edit]: The search function also works now. Smile

Awesome.
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