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cthisbear

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject:  

Flash
" Throw away the hd "
..........................................
Well I would try a different hard drive in your daughters machine, any old thing. Anyway try this.

Linux based boot cd from PC Tools.
Alternate Operating System Scanner

http://www.pctools.com/aoss/

" The scanners scan the files and registry entries of the sleeping OS and use Spyware Doctor signatures to identify malicious entries. The user is then given the option to remove these entries. Without the malware running, AOSS can easily find and remove any malware, even the most sophisticated rootkit. "

If you have the registered copy of Spyware Doctor on the HD, it uses
the latest definitions.

Chris
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jonyo


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject:  

Flash wrote:
Throw away the hd and run Puppy from a multisession DVD?


I just like to get to the bottom of things.Smile Got a ton of pup stuff going on live cd with save files on that 250 gig drive.. Throw it out? Shocked

Just wont install winxp Crying or Very sad Razz (that I paid for..Twisted Evil) after a virus attack..

Ended up learning alota new trix..Smile so far..mbr, fixmbr, flashing a bios, cmos, dban, hiren's, ubcd, sbm, supergrub come to mind & even running xp live cd !
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richard.a


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
richard.a wrote:

" The non-technical users have come to accept computers to be unreliable. So has the average Windows-only computer store and computer department in big shops. "

I disagree here. If automotive companies made cars like IT delivers software...people would burn down car dealerships.
And Adolph Hitler and Goebbels (the Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda) would be proud of how MS has conditioned people to be robots.

Think you may have misread my post. My point exactly, lol, because they don't do those things. Perhaps they should... food for thought...

Yes, not only Goebbels, but also "Baghdad Bob" as well (one can laugh at him Smile )


jonyo certainly sounds like it's sick. You have to wonder if it's possible that the RAM is corrupted. However as Flash suggested, maybe try running Live with a puppy CD, which could prove if the motherboard is still fully functional.

If it is clean and useable, iyou don't want her to run permanently with with a CD, you could go the next step to install puppy as a dual boot with Grub, and then edit menu.lst and remark out the Windows option and set the timeout to zero. That way nobody - except you - would know Smile



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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject:  

richard.a

"Baghdad Bob"
Didn't know that one....had to look him up.
Probably wrong here...but was he an advisor to SCO...maybe not?

" Think you may have misread my post."

No offence mate...enjoy your comments.
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37fleetwood


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject:  

very interesting post, kinda wanders everywhere.very informative. I have not had the problems you guys talk about. I've used windows for years upgrading only when forced. currently clinging to xp (though I find myself using Puppy most of the time). mine never crashes. don't get me wrong, I've done some pretty stupid things and caused problems but windows runs pretty smoothly. I have always used Zone Alarm and have always let it update itself whenever it wanted to. I never really have caught a virus that I noticed. it seems to catch most things. I am fairly careful about downloading stuff that might have cooties and e-mail attachments etc. (do people really open up crap they have no idea where it came from?). I recently downloaded N.O.P 2.17 and am kinda thinking I like xfce with the pseudo Vista look. I've not noticed it to be slower than the other puppies in the litter. also wouldnt it be easier to simply set things up the way you want them in windows and use Ghost or some similar program? I have Ghost disks for most of the computers I have to deal with, it seems to work pretty well. have I hit all the topics yet? anyway great post.
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject:  

37fleetwood

" very interesting post, kinda wanders everywhere.very informative."

I'll call that the Lee Marvin approach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wand%27rin%27_Star

" (do people really open up crap they have no idea where it came from?)"

No. That's just a vicious rumour...people who have computers are as smart as those driving cars.

" also wouldnt it be easier to simply set things up the way you want them in windows and use Ghost or some similar program?
I have Ghost disks for most of the computers I have to deal with, it seems to work pretty well. "
Scott Cool

Ghost...born in New Zealand....but crucified by Nortons.
Yes I have used Ghost backup copies a lot.
But this way, nobody needs anything else but Puppy.
Ghost has a problem with Sata sometimes.
Puppy seems to now have an issue with Sata 2...I hope there is a workaround soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject:  

richard.a wrote:
jonyo certainly sounds like it's sick. You have to wonder if it's possible that the RAM is corrupted. However as Flash suggested, maybe try running Live with a puppy CD, which could prove if the motherboard is still fully functional.

If it is clean and useable, iyou don't want her to run permanently with with a CD, you could go the next step to install puppy as a dual boot with Grub, and then edit menu.lst and remark out the Windows option and set the timeout to zero. That way nobody - except you - would know Smile


Just to clear up, 'pute runs pclinux 07 & ubuntu fiesty fawn each installed on their own HDs & also runs all live CDs no sweat, including pup with save files to HD.

Just cannot install win on it at this point Crying or Very sad Laughing but trying to sort it out. Tried swapping ram with ram that's known to be good but didn't make any diff.

After hrs & hrs of trying to install win with no luck (ends up in a boot loop early in the install) and tryin all manner of fixes mentioned, all of a sudden & out the blue, got an install; but didn't seem right from the start, acted up more & more over time & ended up with the usual disk error scenario on boot. Sad That was a few wks ago.

Turns out that my other daughter has the same mobo on her 'pute (both emachines but diff models) that works well so next thing I'll try is doing a fresh install on a new, or fresh HD in that 'pute & then put the HD in the infected box..to see what happens.

I think the infected box that is causing an install problem scenario for win is transferring the prob onto HDs cos I tried to install a fresh win, on one of those HDs.. already on her 'pute (that works well) & same install problem came up.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject:  

my guess, virus in the bios. linux probably wouldnt be affected just windows. consider flashing the bios as an option of last resort.
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jonyo


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject:  

Tried that. Sad Mind you, its one of the last things I tried after all else failed..
Haven't tried a new HD, just the one that was (is) acting up.

Still have stuff to try, some new ideas came here just recently.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
(do people really open up crap they have no idea where it came from?)

You'd be surprised how many do, I'm afraid.

And the malware writers are even smarter now, often they don't have to even have them opened to do their stuff if the user uses the well proven combination of "Internet Exploder" and "Lookout". They only have to be on the drive - which includes a www page cache or an inbox on the machine - from what I've been told by folks who have had to fix them up.

Believe me they earn their wages.

I've acquired completely free and gratis three older computers that were infected and traded in in that state. One Compaq Presario low profile desktop that doubles as a tower, and two IBM Aptivas with early AMD processors and poor video chips. In both cases I've formatted the drives (which were small anyway) after running my standar suite of three malware free apps, and the installed larger drives in them for experimental stuff.

Yes, the users used to be rebuked for opening emails... now I suppose they should be rebuked for pressing the "on button" lolol Smile

cthisbear wrote:
I have Ghost disks for most of the computers I have to deal with, it seems to work pretty well.

Ghost 2003 (I think that's mine) works nicely with ext2 and ext3 too. Not very clever with reiser though.

cthisbear wrote:
Ghost...born in New Zealand....but crucified by Nortons.

Had no idea that was its history Smile

cthisbear wrote:
Ghost has a problem with Sata sometimes.
Puppy seems to now have an issue with Sata 2...I hope there is a workaround soon.

I believe it might be a *nix problem with SATA, rather than a specifically puppy one.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject:  

Tepid wrote:
I had one PC that was setup with 4 partitions, ... I told her it was best to back up her data and setup the HD correctly and she said no.

All we did was clean up what we could and try defraging, but it still didn't have enough space, and she didn't want to give up her little yahoo games, about 100 of them.
Late response but I hope you are still reading:

There is an alternative where you won't have to install from 0 and she will keep her computer "as is" as far as she is concerned:

You could have done (or maybe still can do) the following:
1. Temporarily install a secondary HDD
2. Under windows disable the page file
4. Under windows change the location of program files doing something like this:
http://articles.networktechs.com/47-p1.php
or this
http://www.infopackets.com/channels/en/windows/gazette/2003/20030611_modify_program_files_path_part_2.htm
5. Use partimage to create a byte per byte image of the 3 relevant partitions as a reliable backup. (you can put the images on the temporary HDD and you already know that there is no point on backing up the page file Wink ).
6. Copy the contents of Program files and documents partitions to the temporary HDD.
7. Boot Puppy (or Linux rescue CD) to RAM and use GParted to Delete the superfluous partitions from the primary HDD and resize the partition that corresponds to C:
8. Copy back the contents of Program files and documents.
9. Reboot the computer into windows
10. Scan the registry for any reference pointing to the old "program files" and fix the reference.
11. Once things are OK, remove the secondary temporary HDD

If things go south you can restore the original partition structure using partimage.

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