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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject:  Why I use Puppy to tuneup XP  

I have posted this here as it was an answer that went on too long to MU.
It concerned Grays new Puppy NOP 2.17.

It was not meant to be nasty and was not a reflection on Grays? abilities.
So if I gave any offence then please accept that it was a genuine
expression that Puppy 2.16 NOP was superior.
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MU " Well, we often have requests for a Puppy that looks and behaves like Windows. "

Hello MU.
No I wasn't looking at that.
All I was saying was that from Puppy 2.10? you could delete Windows files and folders and move them around.

This was not happening here with Puppy 2.17NOP.
And it was slow. ...compared to the regular releases.
An honest assessment...but not a gracious one.

I will post a link to this and repost my answer elsewhere as to why Puppy is useful for XP.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here's what I do with Puppy on XP.

Some manufacturers still create the whole installation on one drive.
Mongrels they are...lazy incompetent slobs.
I believe that because they sell it so low...they just want you to be compromised so that when everything goes Haywire you are at their mercy. Buy a new machine or pay a mighty price to re-install.
Puppy is good because it sees the hidden partitions...which often contain the original installation..Compaq..HP etc.

So if I don't want to run Partition magic or Gparted because maybe they will crash etc...especially if they are riddled with viruses... I boot Puppy and mount the drives and remove the Windows rubbish, after first turning off System restore.in XP

I go to :

Recycler: and delete the files in there.

System Volume Information: and delete the lot.

Next:

Documents and Settings
Owners Name...whatever you called yourself...there might be extras
if family members logon.
Default Service
Local Service
Network Service

Then I open all the Cookies folder of each of the above and remove index data file and any other cookies.

I open the Recent folder and delete the contents.

I open Local settings of all of them as well.
Open Temporary files and then Content IE5 and delete the index.dat and everything else.
Open the Temp file and delete everything.
Open the History folder and proceed to the History.IE5 folder and delete everything.

Next I select the Windows folder:

Drop down to system32.
I open that up and drop to config...open that up,
drop to systemprofile and open that..
hip hip hooray! ....
and sometimes Puppy loses the plot here and exits out.
That is why it pays to defrag Windows first even for 5 minutes, although
if the drive could be dodgy this might not be a good idea.
So I open Mut? again and after opening systemprofile and config..
I delete anything in the Recent folder, I go to the Local Settings here and delete files as explained above in the Temp, History and Temporay Internet Files of
Documents and Settings.

Fnally I delete
Pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys. in the root of C:\ drive nstallation.

I then copy the whole installation to a new folder I call 1-Old XP.
That's because I want those files showing at the top of the drive.
....................................................................
I then reboot Windows...run Cleaner slim edition..only ticking desktop icon
on the install.
I then clean up any windows files with this.

CCleaner Slim (No Yahoo Toolbar, English) 1.41.544
http://www.majorgeeks.com/CCleaner_Slim_No_Yahoo_Toolbar_English_d4191.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I then run the trial of TuneUp Utilities 2004 which I find more reliable than 2007...run the start up manager and delete most of the start ups.
I have only 5.


http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/System_Maintenance_and_Repair_Utilities/TuneUp_Utilities.html

Hard to find now.

I run the Clean & Repair
Tuneup Disk Cleaner and then the Tuneup Registry Cleaner
and then the Optimise Improve - and run the Tuneup Registry Defrag.
The last one at your own risk.

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I then download Removeit Pro........Free version
RemoveIT Pro v4 - SE (Free for non commercial use).

http://www.incodesolutions.com/removeit.php

Run it..language is default for your install. I then scan the drive.

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I then run Zone Alarm Free
ZoneAlarm Free 5.5.062.011 ..only this version...
hard to get..never any other new versions
http://www.9down.com/ZoneAlarm-Security-Suite-Pro-Free-AntiVirus-Wireless-5-5-062-011-4509/

Even when installing do not pick the bought version...caution needed..look before clicking.........after installing and reboot I take off Antivirus monitoring, updates are set to manual only, Alerts and logs =1,
Firewall..both set to high....click advance and
allow Outgoing DNS/DHCP...........both Zones.
I even stop Zone Alarm looking at updates.
Never ever update.
Ths version is stable and and works fine but hates Nortons antivirus
like the plague..run with AVG Free or Avast Home.

I only allow Generic Host Processor from Microsoft...nothing else from them.
I obvously allow the browsers, Quicktime, etc and I use Real Player Alternative...latest versionand AVG Free Edition.
So after that and installing anything else that doesn't conflict I run Ccleaner again....reboot...ensuring everything works and reboot with Puppy....clean up as in first steps above and copy all the installed files to
a folder I call 1 New XP.

Reboot Windows and copy the ...1 New Xp onto a DVD.
I can copy the contents of that onto a backup drive, USB...larger capacity,
another partition whatever.
So if Windows dies I have a pristine backup.
10000 viruses...I don't care..move the whole lot with Puppy to another folder....copy the new installation back to the drive..reboot Windows,
update AVG and scan the lot...and then safely bring the data...word docs,
pics, etc back to Documents and Settings.

20 minutes tops.

Chris
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Tepid

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject:  

There are some good tips here... but,,,,,

Quote:
Some manufacturers still create the whole installation on one drive.
Mongrels they are...lazy incompetent slobs.
I believe that because they sell it so low...they just want you to be compromised so that when everything goes Haywire you are at their mercy. Buy a new machine or pay a mighty price to re-install.


The reason for this is because most people don't know how to use the extended partition. They don't understand what it is used for. Even when you explain it to them. They just don't get it.

I work for a local PC builder. And we have kicked around the idea. But after talking to several customers and finding that they just don't understand the concept, we don't do it.

We have however, recently built a new PC with 2 x 500G Seagate Barracuda HD's, we set them up with raid. For a new customer who is working with videos and graphics. We are thinking about doing this on a regular basis, but there are some drawbacks, so we may not.
I currently I have my system setup this way, unfortunately linux can't see my drives.

Primary Partition is Raid 0 Striped, for the OS and programs, about 140G.
The Second is Raid 1 Mirror for data.

We felt this customer understood what we were doing and could handle it.

Again, it is a forign concept to majority of average users.
It has nothing to do with being lazy or holding the customer hostage.

I had one PC that was setup with 4 partitions, the OS C: drive which had run out of disk space, Next, one for the Pagefile, completely useless, Next one with Program Files, again completely useless, and then one for data (totaly not used).
The customer had no idea why her system wasn't working.
When I tried to explain it, she still didn't understand. I told her it was best to back up her data and setup the HD correctly and she said no.

All we did was clean up what we could and try defraging, but it still didn't have enough space, and she didn't want to give up her little yahoo games, about 100 of them.

So please, don't accuse us PC builders of being lazy or trying to hold the customer hostage. You don't know what you are talking about.

Second......
AVG-Free is actually one of the worst Anti Virus scanners out there.
It doens't catch much of anything. Sure it catches some, but it's actually pretty horrible for cleaning up a virus infested system.
I have a CD with about 70,000 live viruses and we test virus scanners.
AVG Free is at the bottom of the list.

Kaspersky (bit of a resource hog. but very good), NOD32 (Not a hog but catches about as much as Kaspersky), Avast are the better ones on the market.
Norton if you absolutly must, but it's a system hog still.
Absolutely not AVG or Mcafee.
Mcafee causes more issues then actually catching viruses. Uninstalling it alone will fix most of the problems with any system.

BTW, Live OneCare actually is very good about keeping viruses and spyware out, but not very good at cleaning up an infected system.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject:  

Tepid wrote:
... Absolutely not AVG or Mcafee.
Mcafee causes more issues then actually catching viruses. Uninstalling it alone will fix most of the problems with any system. ...

Is it still so? My first computer was an H-P that came with Mcafee something-or-other on it. After a lot of trouble I discovered that removing it made the computer work noticeably better.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Yes, it is true.  

Yes, it is true.

Infact, we rate Mcafee lower than AVG Free.
Barely good enough for the Garbage can.

Nuke the disk in a microwave, shred it with a cd shredder
and melt it into a nice pile of goop. Twisted Evil

Just thinking about that is pure bliss.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject:  

I am hoping ReactOS will be available next year in Beta

I am quite happy to use XP - but I can't
and who uses Vista through choice? - once again slows hardware, abuses the hard disk and is incompatible with software you need
(from what I hear)

I have to support the XP security programs and protect my computer (was taking 30% of my time) and actually slowing the system - the "solution" is a form of viral marketing. The reason some of us become so angry with Microsoft is because they are not providing a consumer product that works. The last time it worked was Windows 3.11

Then they broke it with 95

Maybe provide customers with a Puppy CD in the system if you are retailing?

Am I ranting as usual Embarassed

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject:  

I switched from AVG to ClamWin (GPL):

http://www.clamwin.com/

There is a portable version that runs off usb at:

http://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/clamwin_portable

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I feel that same about norton as Tepid does mcaffe...

machines run better without it.

Years ago a tech friend that swore by norton utilities had me over for dinner. I had always scoffed at norton and he thought it was great. As we finished up dinner he mentioned that today he had taken a really good look at norton crash guard and realized it was causing most of crashes it was "saving" the system from. Then he uninstalled the whole thing and said the machine ran fine from then on.

I just smiled.

My dad and one neighbor still use norton. Security is one of those indoctrinated institutions that we can't stop people from seeking out. It's too bad the worst solutions are the most commonly uttered.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:10 am    Post subject:  

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and who uses Vista through choice? - once again slows hardware, abuses the hard disk and is incompatible with software you need
(from what I hear)


Once the indexing is done, takes a bit of time once you are done installing/updating everything, after that, it doesn't thrash the drive that much. I turn off indexing.

To date, about 5 months now, I have not had one bluescreen, lockup, crash of any kind.

My Tech PC, the one I use for all of my troubleshooting of systems at work is Vista Buisness. Not a single crash, lockup or bluescreen.
And I have hooked up some bad hard drives through USB cradle, Vista never belched, but would have a problem opening Explorer or disk manager. Turn off the bad drive and vista runs smooth as glass, never missing a beat.

I hear this so often it is mind numbing..
Vista is a great OS. There are very few things that won't run on it.
And only because of the way those programs were programed to begin with.

Most companies have updated or put out patches to make them work.
And almost all important drivers are up with Vista. You may find some obscure stuff, or lazy companies who didn't start trying to dev for vista till it released.

Granted, Some old hardware won't work either.
Some old software won't work.

If you can't find vista drivers, XP drives will usually work.
This was the same with XP and 2000,,,, 98 drivers worked.

But this is all the same stuff that everyone complained about when XP was released. A whole lot of people said the same thing you are saying. I heard this or that.

Trust me, Vista is very robust, and yes, it needs new hardware to run on. But so did XP at the time.

I have a lot of software I was afraid wasn't going to work, but I bit the bullet and built a new system (it was time to upgrade anyway) and all of it works.

Nero - Gave an error that it wasn't compatible, but it worked anyway

None of these have given any errors,,, none of them have ever crashed.
TMPEG 2.5
Audio Grabber 1.8
Audacity
CDex
FooBar 2000
Mpeg2VCR
That list goes on and on

All of my portable apps, you name it, it works
Open Office
Firefox
Thunderbird
Sunbird
Opera
list goes on and on

Games
Doom 3
Unreal Tournament 2003
DeusEx (the first one)
Warcraft 3

I have only one game so far that doesn't work, a couple other I haven't tried.

Scarface doesn't work, but that may be an x64 issue.

UAC isn't really a problem for the average user. It stops popping up after a while. I turn it off myself.

Security wise, I haven't had an issue yet. I run NOD32.
I'm fairly confident I don't have any viruses, spyware/malware.

LaserJet4 prints without needing to d/l a driver.

Happauge 150MCE works great with their Vista drivers.

I'm not an MS fan boy, vista has it's annoyances. But it is not anywhere near as bad as poeple say it is. And most are saying only what they have heard.

I know so many people who said they were switching to Linux or MAC when XP came out, then, they started using XP and never switched.

Linux,,,,, look at all the problems people have just getting it to work in the first place. Then look at the support. It's a try things till it works OS.
I am learning Linux as a troubleshooting tool for PC's. Mostly for recovering data off hard to read HD's. And a bit for my own knowledge, just so I'm not a retard about it. And to be honest, I kinda like Linux, it's a new experience, but I'm not dumping Windows for it.

Mac's, don't even get me started. I have known people who have worked on Mac help desks. Trust me, they have as many problems as windows users. Mac just released 50 security updates all at once.

And if Mac's ever take a piece of the pie that MS has, you will see viruses out the wazoo for macs and they will ahve all the problems windows has now. Most mac users don't know what a virus scanner is, cause there are only about 50 viruses that affect Mac's now. Mac is only secure through obscurity, just as Firefox was till everyone started using it. Believe me, i have Nod catching things through Firefox regularly now. If mac's ever get hit with a nasty virus, it will spread like wildfire.

I'm not defending MS in thier practices or anything, But I also can't deny that Vista is a very stable OS, and security is pretty damn good. Not to mention the Parental controls are pretty damn good. If parents would take the time to learn how to use them.

So, don't knock it till you have tried it.

P.S Clamwin works in vista. I forgot about that one,, I use it from time to time.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject:  

Quote:
norton crash guard


Now that was a piece of garbage.
All the Crash Gaurds were.

Norton anti virus on it's own, is good, to a point.
Yes, it's a resource hog, but it also does catch a large majority of viruses.
We don't recommend Norton as a first alternative, but it's on our list of good, not great anti virus. Stay away from Internet Security.

The only reasons we don't like it as much as others...
Resource hog,,,,, and we found a virus that Norton wouldn't clean, when we called them, they wanted 80$ an hour to help us clean it. We told them to shove it, and now offer Live OneCare as an alternative or Nod32.

We also explain that Live OneCare is horrible at cleaning up viruses but great at keeping them out. We have been putting OneCare on a lot of systems, for about 8 months now. Not one person has returned due to infection again. These are people we know use Limewire, click on anything they see on the net. Had spysheriff and other junk we cleaned up. No one has called us to say they are still or started having problems again. And alot of others we work with through thier buisness. So we would know if it wasn't a good product.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:34 am    Post subject:  

" Second......
AVG-Free is actually one of the worst Anti Virus scanners out there.
It doens't catch much of anything. Sure it catches some, but it's actually pretty horrible for cleaning up a virus infested system. "

Most users never change the defaults of AVG.
If you go through all the settings to maximise the security..all the better.

The problem with viruses is downsized when you boot Puppy and run through everything to clean up the drive.
A few minutes of productivity to allow peace of mind.

I have tried most if not all Antivirus products.
There is no one fits all approach.
Nothing catches everything every time.
But when I have run them...I don't have the problems many others do.
I don't say that I have never been infected.

I could setup everything to be nearly bullet proof...and dumb happens.
I might point out to someone that going to certain sites, downloading MP3s
movies, programs etc...may be risky...but they have the choices - but do not always use the best judgement...human nature.

Are you aware of this:
Alternate Operating System Scanner (AOSS)

http://www.pctools.com/labs/

Only able to use it once to scan, unless you have a registered copy of Spyware Doctor..but very handy

I don't know if I stated it in the previous post but one of my tenants is
" You can't build a skyscraper on a foundaton of matches "
So Xp is really - use at your own risk software.
I don't say that it is a bad product in some ways...but there are too many Jokers in the pack.

99% of computers that I check are a joke..poorly set up.
I submit that a partitioned drive at the least ..is a good thing.
Does Joe Average know how the car engine works...No!
He or she hops in and turns the key...and off they go.
Software people in general get away with all sorts of BS.
Puppy really takes that out of the equation.
Barry's love of what he does shines through...in simplicity, speed
and function.
Puppy gives me - the consumer the control.
And he doesn't say to me...hey! mate, you had your drive in the car, now give me back the keys and I'll sell you a new car.

I digress...everyone has an opininion.
If we all did the things the same way..well there goes diversity.
So sometimes making poor choices help us to learn.
As long as it doesn't send you poor.

Chris
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:34 am    Post subject:  

Sorry - double post .
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject:  

Great info for me folks:!: thx Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject:  

cthisbear thankyou very much for the detailed post that you went to so much trouble over.

Yes I too have used Live Linux to fix Windows installations, mostly before I discovered Puppy.

I tend to agree with you about the "stick everything on a single partition". I don't think its so much laziness, but the old attitude of "We've always done it this way" - which is only one step divorced from laziness, because they don't understand a need to keep abreast of other happenings. I was an OS/2 afficionado for a long time after IBM was apparently paid by Microsoft (in software merchandise, not money) to stop developing it.

Back in the days of DOS 3, then 5 (forget 4, it was hopeless) I used two partitions. One for DOS and one for data. Then along came Windows and the first one I actually used was 3.1 (2 and 3.0 were junk) and I stayed with 3.11 right through the initial 95 era, until I was forced to install 95 in order to evaluate my editor's win32 applications he sent me to write about.

I have ALWAYS kept my OS and data seperate, since I had a two-floppy drive Amstrad PPC so-called portable. System was on A: drive, any programme and its saved data was on B: drive. It makes very good sense.

Indeed HP marketed the Vectra VL series tower with a 10Gb HDD (of IBM manufacture) with installation on two HDD partitions, the second one being called - would you believe DATA in both its Windows95 osr2.5 and NT 4 versions.

There is a local system builder I know very well who will frequently put "My Documents" for a windows user on a second drive, although more recently it would be a partition I suppose. Access then is via a shortcut, of course. Works very well.

And I imagine if you have an owner who doesn't understand about these things, you just ensure they NEVER run in adminstrator mode. Best way is to set the computer up that way in the first place, and not divulge the password. Works wonders, from experience.

Saying all that, if I had not been aware of the need for password protected accounts, partitions, multiple drives, et cetera, when I worked on a corporate LAN overseas while I still owned the Amstrad, perhaps I might have refused to believe anyone who "knew more than me" - which is a typical computer user attitude I'm afraid. I admit to having thought like that too.

I also dislike Norton, McAffee et al... and currently enjoy running AVG - configured to suit my requirements - and also Ad-Aware (courtesy Steve Gibson's recommendations some years ago) and I also used the free ZoneAlarm. You are spot on about not using ZA's recent versions, and heaven help you if you accidentally install the "trial" versions Sad

Regarding configuring AVG, why would anybody think that "one size fits all"? Of course it, like every other application needs configuring. Any person raised on DOS will tell you that Smile Try running AutoCAD Release 9 10 11 or 12 for DOS without configuring it Sad

While it is true that if you nurse MS Windows all the time you can get a good run out of it, why should you have to? It is inefficient because of the lengthy downtime if you have one computer per user in the need to continually re-scan the machine in case; I can get away with a swivel chair, a u-shaped desk, and three computers within reach; one is dual boot w2000 and suse, one is 2000, and the other is whatever system I choose to plug in.

I don't waste my time because before I check mail I power on #1 and download malware checking updates. That computer basically runs all day until 5pm when it laboriously checks for nasties and can't be used until that task is finished. Computer #2 is on 24/7 and overnight looks for nasties.

On computer #3 I have to swap 3 plug-in HDD's with Windows systems on them, every day to download new scanning information, then scan, which is horrifically time consuming. That computer also has a plug-in data storage drive, with some applications that run under windows and WINE. This is standard across most of my computers.

The other LAN machines are occasionally used for testing, mostly non-Windows systems.

The non-technical users have come to accept computers to be unreliable. So has the average Windows-only computer store and computer department in big shops. Nobody would accept the need for nursing for their car, would they? In my opinion, it all boils down to lack of knowledge by the vocal people in the retail side of the computer industry, and the head in the sand approach by their technicians who could know better.

Yes, laziness is probably a very good word. Like a car mechanic would also need to study to understand agricultural machinery, but probably would not be prepared to. Yes I've met some like that Smile And imho Microsoft products are very agricultural!

I've been watching ReactOS for a couple of years; its progress is extremely slow, and I had hoped it would have got there by now.

Oh well, [/rant] lol Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject:  

richard.a

I was very lucky to have a friend who made me..

Install things right the first time
Abused me for not installing things right the first time
Backup..backup
2 partitions are better than one
Abused me for not installing things right the first time...mongrel
and who didn't always fall for doing things the Windows way.

We differ occasionally on different things...but even he uses Puppy
occasionally to rescue Data.

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" The non-technical users have come to accept computers to be unreliable. So has the average Windows-only computer store and computer department in big shops. "

I disagree here. If automotive companies made cars like IT delivers software...people would burn down car dealerships.
And Adolph Hitler and Goebbels (the Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda) would be proud of how MS has conditioned people to be robots.
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" I've been watching ReactOS for a couple of years; its progress is extremely slow, and I had hoped it would have got there by now. "

Yes downloaded it too... a real pity that it couldn't bite Bill back...a nice thought....fighting Windows with a Windows clone.
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I think that much of the critcism of Puppy is due to users having high expectations of Barry's genius....for the price of Zilch...and yet paying
MS and other leeches tribute...(Oh! this next is perfect)...for crudware.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute

"A tribute (from Latin tribulum, contribution) is wealth one party gives to another as a sign of respect or, as was often case in historical contexts, of submission or allegiance.
It also incorporated certain aspects of regulated trade in goods and services between the parties under a contractual relationship formed upon duress, and based upon the potential for threats if specific performance did not occur. "
...........................................
What more can I say, thanks mate.
Chris
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject:  

Is it possible that a winxp box that has had a major virus infection infestation can be damaged to the point that it will no longer run or install win? My daughter's last xp box was compromised big time & ended up attacking our major cable network providor. They cut us off when it occurred with a warning..better not happen again..

I cannot get a win xp install either thru restore disks or separate winxp install disks. Always ends up in a boot loop shortly into the the install and or very quickly leads to a disk error boot loop.

Suspected a boot sector virus & tried everything I know of to try to sort it out. Guess it might be something simple as its all mostly new to me but nothing i've tried has helped including fixmbr, flashing the bios, resetting cmos, formating, Dban etc..

Ended up trying 4 new HDs to install xp & all acted up in a similar manner as described above. Ended up installing Ubuntu on 2 & pclinux os on another & they run fine though one Ubuntu install has just come up with a grub error 16 after recent bios flashings & attempts at fixing the box. That one seemed funny from the get go though so could be a bad install..

On the remaining HD that I've kept to try to sort out win, after a recent round & many hrs attenpting to install xp, decided to try a freespire 2 install, that after what seemed to be a normal install, on the next boot came up with a disk error & same thing happened with pclinux os install attempt after that.

Then took that HD to another daughter's 'pute, that has the same mobo & is humming with xp, to try to install winxp & even there, turned into a boot loop early on in the install attempt. Shocked Rolling Eyes

i'm at a loss..

Any thoughts on what's going on or possibly a fix? Box is an emachine
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject:  

Throw away the hd and run Puppy from a multisession DVD?
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Puppy 3.01 run from a multisession DVD+RW;
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