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106498

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject:  Puppy needs better documentation/website   Reply with quote 

I think Puppy Linux is the best OS Iv'e ever had and have had hardly any trouble installing it, that is Puppy Itself. However, then it comes to installing additional software. And there I believe Puppy needs some work. Petget works sweet, dotpups work great. The trouble is in actually finding anything.
For example I wanted to install 3DCC. I ended up having to do a google search because even the forum search failed me, and this was the second time I installed 3DCC! Downloading QT was even worse.
I found the dotpup installer somewhere in my filesystem (no menu link?) but theres not many on there. I think that if all packages were registered with the package managers this world would be a better place.
Also I don't understand why there are 4 different puppy websites, and none of them link to the manual! This adds to the confusion of new Puppy users. But don't get me wrong, Puppy rocks!
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darrelljon


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

I have to agree about websites.
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106498

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

The new wiki frontpage is a great improvement I forgot too say!
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Caneri


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

@106498

Puppy Software Installer is a great resource...it comes with EZPup as follows

http://www.puppylinux.ca/puppyfiles/EZpup-3.0.pet

I'm in full agreement with finding a way to coordinate Puppy for the new and experienced users...I am trying to make a spot for just that sort of thing....I have also discovered that Puppy is so dynamic..it is a very hard thing to do...with Barry's work and the other puplets coming online all the time it's nearly impossible to keep up..did I say nearly impossible..sorry it's just impossible.
EDIT..but it's sure a lot of fun trying to keep up.. Smile

Any ideas are most welcome.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

Hmm i guess thats another one of those things, I heard talk of PSI before but I never figured out where to get it Smile
I think a great improvement would be if all dotpups were hosted in the same place. dotpups.de is usefull (once you find it!!) but no info is given for each file. And now of course .pets are recommended. Puppy needs something like the debian software place thingy. (see http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages )
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: doing it   Reply with quote 

The good thing about Puppy Linux is that if you feel something will help, you can do it and receive help, too.
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Caneri


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

raffy..you are right on the mark...

My experience with the puppy people is one of good vibes and good advice...so for the new users..take some time and learn..I think the whole puppy project is one built on learning...and is well worth the time to stop and think about what you want in computing.

Just my opinion.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

Yes I fully agree with that the forum is great and personally the reason I got into Linux was to learn new things, it was only later I found that it run at 20 times the speed of w98. But learning shouldn't be about perfecting your internet search techniques Smile I don't see why every other linux can have well organized packages/documentation but puppy can't. If the idea is "keep it simple", 4 websites might make people a little sceptic.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: OK   Reply with quote 

Is it really a problem? I guess your count of 4 websites misses the mark. Please count again when Puppy's offical splash page appears in the browser. Laughing

OK, what you're saying is a good Christmas project. Would you have any suggestion for a script or CMS for this?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

106498 wrote:
Hmm i guess thats another one of those things, I heard talk of PSI before but I never figured out where to get it Smile


2.15 CE c/w PSI.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:12 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

I was thinking of a central or distributed place for manuals.

http://www.puppylinux.ca/members/

It's just a start and I'll need help tracking them down...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

Puppylinux.org has a clear link to documentation, but it points to the documentation project which is really not quite up to par yet. I think a lot of people click the documentation project link and then don't get as much satisfaction as they had hoped for.

Maybe the folks at the documentation project would consider putting a link to the manuals on their opening page -- just until the documentation project gets a little further along.

Also, the wiki main page could have a bullet called "documentation" that points toward the documentation project page.

Those two changes, if they happened together, might make everything work better.

I'm thinking the documentation project will at some point take over the need for a manual, but the time hasn't quite arrived yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:08 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

@raffy, I don't really have any website skills otherwise I would be more help. This is just my opinion on how to improve on puppy.

Good to see theres lots of ideas already!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

Caneri wrote:
I was thinking of a central or distributed place for manuals.

http://www.puppylinux.ca/members/

It's just a start and I'll need help tracking them down...


http://puppylinux.org/wikka/ManualsPuppy

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/ManualBeginners

http://tmxxine.com/Wikka/wikka.php?wakka=PuppyLinux

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote 

another thing is that many sites still link to puppyos.com. Then people get a redirect. All this makes puppy seem a bit unprofessional. I think many people just don't take puppy serious.
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